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0141E8-E9
Postal Clerk
E-8 to E-9 (Senior NCO) · Marines
HEADS UP
At this rank, the postal program is the program you helped shape. Whether you chose the 1stSgt path or the MSgt path, the standard you set in formation is the standard the Marines after you will carry for twenty years. You only get one chance at leaving the Corps better than you found it. Do not spend it on self-protection.
The Honest MOS Read
First Sergeant, Master Sergeant, Sergeant Major, and Master Gunnery Sergeant are the four designations at E-8/E-9 in the Marine Corps's senior enlisted tier, and they represent two genuinely distinct career tracks that the 0141 Marine has been managing toward since the GySgt rank.
The 1stSgt runs the company — 100-plus Marines, the company office, the platoon sergeants, the training calendar, the discipline, the family readiness, and the space between what the CO needs and what the company can actually deliver. If you chose the 1stSgt path, your postal accountability expertise may be largely in the background. You may be the 1stSgt of an administrative company where postal Marines are part of your formation, or you may have moved entirely onto the troop-leadership track that the Marine Corps keeps as a separate channel from the occupational specialist track. The 1stSgt's job is the company. The MOS expertise is context; the leadership is the work.
The MSgt is the senior occupational SME — the postal program senior advisor at the division, MEF, or HQMC level. The MOS roadmap, the training pipeline health, the manpower fill rate analysis, and the policy briefs to DC M&RA when the 0141 program requires attention are all your territory. At MSgt you write fewer FitReps than at GySgt, but the ones you write select the next GySgt slates. The MSgt who writes accurate, honest FitRep relative values across a generation of GySgts shapes the postal community's senior enlisted leadership for fifteen years.
The SgtMaj advises the battalion or regimental commanding officer on every enlisted decision — retention, discipline, morale, promotion, the boundary between what the command staff wants and what the enlisted population can deliver. The SgtMaj's position is small in headcount and enormous in influence. What you walk past in formation without comment becomes the standard. What you correct in formation, on the first occurrence, becomes the standard. The formation reads you constantly.
The MGySgt is the occupational pinnacle of the field — the senior enlisted Marine who briefs the DC M&RA on the 0141 MOS roadmap when it needs rewriting, who advises the postal program at the institutional level, and whose FitRep signature on a GySgt or MSgt record is read by the board as a senior institutional endorsement. There are very few MGySgts in any given small MOS; the selection is both a recognition and a responsibility.
In the final years of service, the transition planning that should have started 24-36 months before EAS is running in parallel with the daily job. The SkillBridge program provides a DoD-authorized internship in the final 180 days of service — use it. The VA disability claim file should be started well before separation — every documented medical encounter during service is evidence the VA uses. The second career — USPS management, federal postal inspector, federal civilian administrative leadership, defense contracting — is available and better-compensated than most Marines realize. The GySgts and SSbts you mentored for twenty years are watching how you handle the exit.
Career Arc
- 01GySgt to MSgt/1stSgt selection via FitRep profile and Staff NCO Academy Senior Course completion.
- 02Assume senior enlisted responsibility — 1stSgt of a company, MSgt as division/MEF postal program advisor, SgtMaj as CO advisor, MGySgt as HQMC postal policy voice.
- 03DC M&RA brief on 0141 MOS health — manpower fill, pipeline, career progression — as MSgt/MGySgt.
- 04Sergeants Major Course (Marine Corps University) for SgtMaj track — the board checks the transcript.
- 05Final FitRep cycles — the ones that select the next GySgt and 1stSgt slates.
- 06Transition planning: SkillBridge internship, VA disability claim file, USPS / federal civilian / defense contracting second career path.
- 07Retirement or final separation — leave the formation better than you found it.
Common Screwups
- ×Taking a disagreement with the CO public — the disagreement goes in his office with the door closed, and you walk out aligned every time. The formation cannot function on visible fractures at the senior level.
- ×Confusing seniority with leverage. The Marine Corps keeps senior enlisted who serve the formation. The 1stSgt who runs a personal program off the back of the CO's authority does not keep the billet.
- ×Stopping personal PT because the rank says you can. Marines stop respecting the chevrons when the body stops carrying them. The 1st-Class PFT is still the bar and the formation is still watching.
- ×Letting the postal accountability program slide at the command level because the focus is on troop leadership. If the IG finds a systemic postal accountability failure under your watch, it lands in your performance record — whether or not you personally signed the last audit.
- ×Confusing the warm-up to retirement with the job. Until you walk out of the formation for the last time, the formation is your job. The LCpls are still watching how you carry it and they will carry what they learned from you for twenty more years.
A Day in the Life
- 0500Wake. The formation is already thinking about whether you will be at PT. You will be.
- 0530PT formation. The 1stSgt or SgtMaj takes accountability for the formation. Every Marine present or accounted for — no exceptions and no after-the-fact fills.
- 0545–0700Unit PT. You run with the formation. 1st-Class standard visible. The Marines who are struggling get mentored; the ones who are coasting get challenged. Both from the same person.
- 0700–0830Hygiene, chow, utilities. Before morning formation: review the night's reports — duty log, any incidents, any Marines who need immediate attention. Brief the CO on anything the formation needs to know before colors.
- 0830Morning formation and colors. Company-level tasking and the day's priorities. The 1stSgt's call after formation on any formation-wide communications.
- 0900CO coordination — the day's decisions that require the 1stSgt's read on the enlisted population. Personnel actions, discipline referrals, family readiness issues, training authorizations. The CO makes decisions; you make sure those decisions are informed by what the formation actually looks like.
- 0930–1130Company or section office work — page-11 entries, official correspondence, counseling sessions with NCOs and SNCOs, Red Cross notification procedures if any are active. The 1stSgt's company admin is not delegated to the company clerk — it runs through you.
- 1130–1300Chow. You eat last in the formation — after the juniors, with the NCOs and SNCOs. The formation watches. So do you.
- 1300–1500Afternoon work — unit training observation if any scheduled training is running, GySgt mentoring sessions if due, postal program status check if the section is approaching an audit or a T&R review. Congressional inquiry coordination if any are active.
- 1500End-of-day company formation. Next day's priorities. Any company-wide announcements. The 1stSgt's final word to the formation.
- 1530Final formation and liberty. Any Marines flagged for family readiness or personal welfare issues receive a call before they leave.
- 1700–2000Company gym or personal time. The phone does not stop — a Marine's family emergency, a duty NCO question, a junior Marine in trouble. Answer it. This is the job.
- 2000–2200Post-service planning, professional reading, senior reading list. The Commandant's Planning Guidance does not read itself.
- The last week before retirementShow up the same way you showed up the first week. The formation is still watching.
Weekly Cadence
The 1stSgt's week runs on the company. Monday is the heaviest day: the weekend's incidents resolved, the duty log reviewed, the platoon sergeant conference to set the week's training priorities. Tuesday through Thursday are the execution days — training observed, counseling conducted, personnel actions processed, family readiness issues managed as they surface. Friday is the company-wide event, the 1stSgt's call with the junior Marines, the liberty-release brief that tells the company what you expect of them over the weekend.
The MSgt's week runs on the program. Monday is the command postal program status review: open discrepancies, upcoming audits, MPO deployment readiness, congressional inquiry pipeline. Tuesday through Thursday are the advisory and development days — GySgt mentoring sessions, audit package review, DC M&RA brief preparation if due, coordination with the installation postal officer or the S1. Friday is the week's accountability validation: program status current, FitRep cycle on track, board preparation conversations completed with the GySgts who need them.
The SgtMaj's week runs on the battalion or regiment. The weekly battle rhythm is the CO's; the SgtMaj's role is to ensure that the enlisted formation is resourced, disciplined, and represented in every decision the CO makes. The Monday flag brief, the midweek training observation, the Friday family-readiness review — all run through the SgtMaj's advisory relationship with the CO. The program work is secondary. The people are the job.
Key Skills — How to Drill Each
- 01Brief the commanding general or DC M&RA on 0141 MOS health — manpower fill rates, deployment readiness, training pipeline throughput, career progression gaps — with a complete and honest operational picture.The brief to the commanding general or DC M&RA is the senior enlisted voice on a program the general or the director depends on functioning. Build the brief from data: fill rate versus authorized end-strength, training pipeline throughput (how many Marines enter the pipeline, how many complete, what is the average time to initial qualification), deployment readiness (how many sections are deployable, how many are operating below minimum staffing), career progression gaps (where are Marines being lost — EAS, misconduct, reclass). Brief the complete picture, including the programs that need resource attention. The general or director who receives a sanitized brief makes decisions with incomplete information. Brief the truth.
- 02Build the command postal program annual audit and inspection schedule and defend the results to the Inspector General without a staff officer between you and the finding.At the senior enlisted level, the IG interaction is direct. When the IG finds something, they ask the senior enlisted advisor first. Be the senior enlisted advisor who knows the answer — not because you prepared a briefing card, but because you built the audit schedule, reviewed the results, and know where every open item is and why. The senior enlisted Marine who can answer the IG's questions without consulting a staff officer is the one who has been running the program, not supervising it from a distance.
- 03Walk the company or section line during an IG inspection or command inspection and identify the broken systems before the evaluators do.The 1stSgt or SgtMaj who walks the company line before the IG does and finds the broken systems first is the one who has time to fix what is fixable and to brief the CO on what the IG will find. Build the pre-inspection walk into the section preparation timeline — not as a cover-up, but as a quality check. Broken systems identified by the senior enlisted and already reported to the CO before the IG arrives are reported in a fundamentally different context than broken systems discovered by the IG.
- 04Mentor GySgts into MSbt-board-ready candidates — have the honest career path conversation before the selection board forces it.The career path conversation at the GySgt rank requires the senior enlisted leader to say things that are uncomfortable: this Marine's FitRep record is competitive for the MSbt track but not the 1stSgt track; this Marine's skills are in technical program management, not troop leadership. Have the conversation in the counseling session, document it, and build the billet sequence recommendation around it. The GySgt who gets to the MSbt/1stSgt board without a clear path was never told the truth by the senior enlisted who evaluated him. Do not let that be your legacy.
- 05Run a Red Cross notification, a serious incident response, or a memorial ceremony with the dignity and composure the family and the formation require.The 1stSgt or SgtMaj who receives the Red Cross notification at 0200 is the Marine who calls the chaplain and the casualty assistance officer and makes the knock on the family's door at a dignified hour. The procedure is not what matters — the composure is. Practice the script in a non-emergency scenario with the chaplain before you need it. A senior enlisted leader who has never practiced the notification is the one who cannot hold the composure the family needs when it matters most.
- 06Brief the BC, regimental CO, or commanding general on enlisted morale, retention, postal program readiness, and the second-order effects of manpower decisions they cannot see from the conference room.The general or commanding officer making retention bonuses, manpower allocation, and billet authorization decisions cannot see the second-order effects from the conference room. The senior enlisted advisor who can translate those effects — 'reducing the postal section from three to two Marines means the deployed MPO cannot support a battalion-level operation beyond 90 days without a relief' — is the advisor who changes the decision. Brief the second-order effects first, then the recommendation. The commanding officer who understands the consequences makes better decisions.
Manuals & References — What Chapters Matter
- DoD 4525.6-M — Department of Defense Postal ManualAt this rank you are the command authority who interprets this document for the postal officer and for the formation. When the document is updated, you brief the update. When the IG cites a chapter, you know the chapter. When a junior Marine asks a policy question, your answer comes from knowledge, not from a research request.
- MCO P1000.9 — Marine Corps Postal RegulationsThe Corps policy document you helped shape through years of operational feedback. At MSgt/MGySgt you may have been part of the policy review process that revised it. Know it current, not as it was written when you were a Sgt.
- MCO 1610.7 — Performance Evaluation SystemYou are now the rater or reviewing official on FitReps that select the next GySgt and 1stSgt slates. The FitRep mechanics at the E-8/E-9 level — the reviewing official's role, the value of the senior endorsement, the board's read of a reviewing official's relative value override — are the mechanics you now exercise on behalf of the Marine Corps, not on behalf of your own career.
- MCO P1400.32D — Marine Corps Promotion Manual (Enlisted)MSbt/1stSgt/SgtMaj/MGySgt board mechanics. At this rank you are on the advising side of the board process, and potentially on the board itself. Understand the board's selection criteria, the FitRep relative value weighting, and the ways that a senior endorsement changes a record's board read. The senior enlisted Marine who understands the board mechanics can brief his GySgts honestly about their position.
- MCO 1900.16 / MCO P1900.16 — Marine Corps Retirement and Separation ManualYou are the resource the unit comes to for transition planning — retirement eligibility, PDRL evaluation, SkillBridge program, separation processing, VA claim initiation. Know the current document well enough to give accurate guidance. The Marine who receives wrong transition guidance from the most senior enlisted Marine in his formation carries the consequence for decades.
- Commandant's Planning Guidance, current CMC Planning Guidance, and MCO 1400.32D updatesAt E-8/E-9, you are expected to translate strategic direction down to LCpls who joined last month. The Commandant's Planning Guidance is not a reference document — it is the strategic frame within which every personnel, training, and operational decision at the company and section level sits. Read it. Brief it. Make it concrete for the Marines who have never heard of it.
Standards — How to Hit Each
- Sergeants Major Course at Marine Corps University before competing for command SgtMaj slate.The Sergeants Major Course is the E-9 PME gate. The transcript appears on the record before the command SgtMaj slate is considered. Nomination goes through the senior command's SgtMaj; timing depends on the board cycle and course schedule. A missing Sergeants Major Course on a competitive FitRep record is the kind of gap that delays the SgtMaj selection permanently.
- Command postal audit — money orders, registered mail, accountable stock — clean across the entire command's postal program.At the senior enlisted level, the postal accountability standard covers the command's entire program — not just the section you supervise directly. Build the audit oversight mechanism: review subordinate section audits at the command level before they go to the postal officer, track open discrepancies across the command's postal program, and brief the CO on the program's accountability status annually. One systemic failure across the command's postal program under your watch is in your performance record regardless of which section generated it.
- Zero senior-enlisted-level integrity incidents — financial, accountability fraud, OPSEC, fraternization.At E-8/E-9, there is no recovery from an integrity incident. Financial misconduct, postal accountability fraud, fraternization, or OPSEC breach at this rank ends the career permanently. The Marine Corps does not relitigate. The standard is not aspirational at this level — it is the baseline. The senior enlisted Marine who needs a reminder of this standard should not be at this rank.
- Personal FitRep profile that the reviewing official can defend at HQMC.The FitRep at E-8/E-9 is reviewed at HQMC. The reviewing official's endorsement is the senior-most signature on the record. Have the honest conversation with the reviewing official about what the FitRep record shows and what the board expects. The senior enlisted Marine who knows exactly what his FitRep record looks like to the board is the one who managed his career intentionally.
- Post-service transition plan running 24-36 months before EAS.SkillBridge internship identification (start the search 18 months out — good programs are competitive), VA disability claim file initiation (every documented medical encounter during service is evidence; the PNCA at the installation assists), second career target identified and networked (USPS management, federal postal inspector, DoD civilian workforce, defense contracting). The senior enlisted Marine who counsels his Marines on transition planning should be running the same 24-36 month plan for himself. Lead from the front.
Technical Mistakes — Concrete Consequences
- Taking a disagreement with the CO public.The disagreement goes in his office with the door closed. The formation cannot function on visible fractures between the CO and the 1stSgt — the Marines immediately start reading the gap as an invitation to play one against the other, and the command climate degrades in ways that take months to repair. The CO and the 1stSgt walk out of every disagreement aligned, or they do not both keep their billets. Walk out aligned.
- Confusing seniority with leverage over the command structure.The senior enlisted Marine who uses institutional seniority to circumvent the CO's authority — running a personal program, making resource commitments the CO did not authorize, managing the formation's decisions outside the CO's awareness — does not keep the billet. The CO relieves the 1stSgt who operates outside the chain. The formation sees it. The SgtMaj above sees it. The next FitRep cycle records it.
- Letting the postal accountability program slide because the senior role is focused on troop leadership.If the IG finds a systemic postal accountability failure under a 1stSgt or SgtMaj's watch, it lands in the performance record regardless of which Marine generated the failure. The 1stSgt who was too busy running the company to verify the postal program's accountability records does not get credit for the troop leadership work when the audit finding appears. The standard covers both.
- Stopping personal PT because the rank provides cover.The formation stops respecting the chevrons when the body stops carrying them. At E-8/E-9, the 1st-Class PFT/CFT is not a suggestion — it is the floor the senior enlisted Marine holds. The SgtMaj who cannot hold 1st-Class fitness in a formation of 18-22 year-olds is the SgtMaj whose standards are not being carried. The Marines do not say anything. They notice everything.
- Treating the final 18 months before retirement as a warm-up to leaving.The LCpls joining the formation in your last year are watching how you carry the job when nobody is grading you. The senior enlisted Marine who checks out before the EAS date is the Marine who teaches the boots that accountability is situational. That lesson carries. The last 18 months are the job — run them the same way you ran the first 18.
Career Decisions at This Rank
- Command SgtMaj slate versus senior MSgt/MGySgt assignment — the final career path decisionThe command SgtMaj slate requires Sergeants Major Course completion, a FitRep profile that shows diverse troop leadership, and a reviewing official chain that includes commanding generals or equivalent senior officers. The senior MSgt/MGySgt track requires deep technical expertise, command-level program advisory experience, and a FitRep record that shows institutional authority in the MOS. The selection board decides, not the Marine — but the billet sequence that fed the board was managed intentionally. The Marine who arrives at E-9 with the sequence that matches the path he chose is the Marine who ran his own career.
- Retirement timing — 20 years versus serve to maximumTwenty-year retirement eligibility opens a pension at 50% base pay (under the legacy High-3 system) or the blended retirement system equivalent. Service beyond 20 years adds to the retirement calculation and builds the disability claim base. The honest math for the 0141 senior enlisted Marine: the post-service market for USPS management, federal postal inspector, and DoD civilian administrative leadership positions is accessible at 20 years with a strong record and improves marginally with additional years. The SkillBridge internship in the final 180 days is worth more in transition value than the marginal retirement increase from an additional six months of service. Run the math, talk to a VA benefits counselor, and decide from numbers, not from inertia.
- Post-service career path — USPS management, federal postal inspector, DoD civilian, defense contractingUSPS management positions (district manager, postmaster, operations supervisor) are the most direct translation of the 0141 career. Federal preference hiring gives veterans a 5-point (non-disabled) or 10-point (disabled) preference in the federal hiring process; USPS career-track positions are federal competitive service. The Postal Inspection Service (federal law enforcement, criminal investigation of mail fraud, robbery, threats) recruits from the military population and values the accountability background. GS-7 to GS-11 DoD civilian positions in administrative, logistics, and program management are accessible with the Veterans' Preference advantage and the MSgt/SgtMaj management record. Defense contracting (administrative support, logistics accountability, program management) typically pays above GS equivalents. The 0141 Marine with a clean twenty-year record has better options than most realize at separation.
How the Seat Varies by Unit Type
- Company 1stSgt — administrative or combined arms companyThe 1stSgt of an administrative company manages a formation that may include postal Marines, finance Marines, administrative clerks, and other support personnel. The technical depth across multiple specialties means the 1stSgt cannot be the subject matter expert in each one — he is the senior enlisted leader of the formation, and the section chiefs are the technical experts. The 1stSgt who tries to be the postal SME and the 1stSgt simultaneously does neither well. Run the formation; let the section chiefs run the programs.
- Battalion or regimental SgtMajThe SgtMaj at the battalion or regimental level is the CO's advisor on every enlisted decision in a formation of hundreds of Marines. The postal expertise recedes further into the background at this level — the SgtMaj is the senior enlisted Marine for the entire formation, not the postal program. What matters is whether the formation is disciplined, trained, retained, and represented in the command's decisions.
- HQMC or MEF-level MSgt/MGySgt postal advisorAt the HQMC or MEF level, the MSgt or MGySgt postal advisor is the institutional voice on the 0141 MOS roadmap. The work is advisory, policy-shaping, and legacy-setting — briefing DC M&RA on program health, reviewing the training pipeline, advising on manpower allocation decisions that affect the 0141 community for years. This is the occupational pinnacle of the field.
- Marine Forces Command or Pacific — senior enlisted postal coordinationThe senior postal advisor at MARFORCOM or MARFORPAC manages postal program standards across a theater's worth of Marine forces. Congressional inquiry escalations from across the force come to this level. IG findings from multiple commands are visible here. The advisory role at this level is genuinely institutional — the decisions made here shape how postal Marines train and operate for years after the MGySgt who makes them has retired.
What Good Looks Like at This Rank
The good postal 1stSgt or SgtMaj is the senior Marine every boot in the formation knows by face and reputation — not because he commands it, but because he earned it by showing up the same way on the worst Monday of a deployment as on the best Friday of a garrison week. The re-enlistment line forms after a hard deployment because the 1stSgt fought for the Marines in the retention conversations the CO did not have time for, and the Marines knew it. The CO trusts this 1stSgt with the worst news at 0200 because the news comes back accurate and the plan comes back workable.
The good MSgt or MGySgt is the Marine the DC M&RA calls when the 0141 MOS roadmap needs rewriting — the one whose GySgts in the field quote him in section briefs without realizing they are doing it. The GySgts he mentored over twenty years run clean sections because they learned what clean looks like from a Marine who ran it that way when nobody was watching. The FitRep relative values he assigned across thirty GySgt cycles are defensible because they were written from what he observed, not from what was convenient.
The good SgtMaj or MGySgt leaves the formation with a 0141 community that is stronger than when he arrived at E-8 — more technically competent, more honest in its accountability records, and more capable of standing up a forward MPO without supervision than the community that was there before. That is the job. Everything else is supporting effort.
Preview — The Next Rank
There is no next level. The last formation is the job. The Marines who came up under your watch will carry what they learned from you for twenty more years — the way you ran the window, the way you held the accountability standard when the line was long, the way you told the CO the truth when it was inconvenient, the way you answered the phone at 0200 when a junior Marine was in trouble. The standard you walked past without correcting became the standard. The standard you corrected became the standard. Both of those facts are permanent.
The 0141 community is small enough that the senior enlisted Marines from your generation are known by reputation across the field. The section chiefs in forward MPOs across the Corps are doing things the way they were taught to do them — and what they were taught traces back through GySgts and SSbts to the MSgt or MGySgt who set the standard they inherited. Leave the standard worth inheriting.
FAQ
0141 E8-E9 — Frequently Asked Questions
Q01What does a E8-E9 0141 (Postal Clerk) actually do?
As 1stSgt you run the company — 100-plus Marines, the company office, the platoon sergeants, the training calendar, the discipline, the family readiness, the boundary between what the CO needs and what the company can actually deliver.
Q02What's the most important thing to know as a E8-E9 0141?
At this rank, the postal program is the program you helped shape.
Q03What does a typical day look like for a E8-E9 0141?
Time-blocked day at the E8-E9 0141 rank tier: 0500 Wake. The formation is already thinking about whether you will be at PT. You will be, 0530 PT formation. The 1stSgt or SgtMaj takes accountability for the formation. Every Marine present or accounted for — no exceptions and no after-the-fact fills, 0545–0700 Unit PT. You run with the formation. 1st-Class standard visible. The Marines who are struggling get mentored; the ones who are coasting get challenged. Both from the same person, 0700–0830 Hygiene, chow, utilities. Before morning formation: review the night's reports — duty log,…
Q04What mistakes get E8-E9 0141 soldiers fired or relieved?
Taking a disagreement with the CO public — the disagreement goes in his office with the door closed, and you walk out aligned every time. The formation cannot function on visible fractures at the senior level; Confusing seniority with leverage. The Marine Corps keeps senior enlisted who serve the formation. The 1stSgt who runs a personal program off the back of the CO's authority does not keep the billet; Stopping personal PT because the rank says you can.…
Q05What career decisions matter most at the E8-E9 0141 rank tier?
Command SgtMaj slate versus senior MSgt/MGySgt assignment — the final career path decision — The command SgtMaj slate requires Sergeants Major Course completion, a FitRep profile that shows diverse troop leadership, and a reviewing official chain that includes commanding generals or equivalent senior officers. The senior MSgt/MGySgt track requires deep technical expertise, command-level program advisory experience, and a FitRep record that shows institutional authority in the MOS. The selection board decides,…
Q06What's next after E8-E9 for a 0141 (Postal Clerk) in the Marines?
There is no next level.
Q07What manuals and regulations does a E8-E9 0141 need to know cold?
DoD 4525.6-M — Department of Defense Postal Manual (you are now the command authority who interprets it for the postal officer).; MCO P1000.9 — Marine Corps Postal Regulations (the Corps policy document you helped shape and now implement at the senior level).; MCO 1610.7 — Performance Evaluation System (you are the rater or reviewing official on the FitReps that decide the next GySgt and 1stSgt slates).
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